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to get a deal done so that i don't have to keep boring people with this term fiscal cliff? >> right. to really get the deal done right you need about 4 troll trillion to get us back on track. that means pro-growth tax reform, entitlement reform and better control of savings of the proposals at this point are not at that level. they're more $2.5 trillion range. we're very anxious to see what the president will put forward in terms of savings and reform. adam: in roughly four days can all of you in washington get this deal done? or is it going to be some kind of a patch with some kind of delay and than we'll deal with the new congress deals with it? >> well, adam i think you're kind of on it there. it would be great if we can get it done. if not let's at least get the framework to set it up and finish it off right away. either way we have to get a deal done before congress gets adjourned or get a deal done in the new congress. there is enough proposals put forward. get the deal we need to get things on track. adam: we should point out i think senator scott brown out of massachusetts l
're going over the cliff. it's hard to tell. the expectation, even if we go over the fiscal cliff. right now, congress is still looking at trying to resolve this here in the next few days. so it's not as if we go over the cliff and stay there. there would be time to resolve the issue. that being said, we saw a whirlwind of negotiating on capitol hill. and right now, after things sort of didn't work out between mitch mcconnle and harry reid, the top republican and top democrat in the senate, they have shifted between mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. that's where all of the action is right now. keeping the speaker of the house john boehner abreast of what's going on. keeping harry reid abreast of what's going on and keeping president obama abreast of what's going on. we heard from senator reid yesterday that they are very far apart. not just talking on the threshold, initially president obama said $250 mi,000. there is talk to bumping that to $400,000. republicans want to know how we pay for it. there are farm subsidies, the doc fix. and spending cuts. so there is a lot to be reso
're on the edge of the fiscal cliff right now but that doesn't mean we're just going to sign off on anything. republicans are kind of holding their ground at this point and i believe that means there is a deal this weekend, if something happens in the white house today, it will require democrats to either change their stance on taxes and also include a promise of cuts and entitlement reform. otherwise, we really are looking at january 1 and the fiscal cliff happening. in which case a resolution won't happen until the new congress comes into session on january 3rd. gregg: that's right. we've been following not only the events on the floor but people stepping before microphones. here is representative jim moran. >> there are going to be voting sunday night and then probably watching the skins-cowboys fame in the cloakroom. then we'll, then we'll be in session on december 31st as well. gregg: what does he mean, we're going to vote sunday night? >> here's what might happen. both parties meet with the president today at the white house. they all say look, here we are on the precipice here. let's
, right now senate leaders scrambling to find common ground to avoid going over that fiscal cliff. got less than three days to go now, folks. at the same time in his weekly address today, the president says he's preparing a plan of action if no deal is reached. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up or down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job, and lays the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> republicans say they want a deal as well, but they highlighted their biggest sticking points today in their weekly address. listen now to missouri senator roy blount. >> senate democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand. the president's proposal to raise tax on the top 2% of americans won't even pay one-third of the annual interest that's now owed on this massive $16 trillion debt. in fact, the president's tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. >> the senate is se
-minute deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff, right? the president and the vice president, they're going to meet with house speaker john boehner, minority leader nancy pelosi, senate majority harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell. that is happening this afternoon. jessica yellin is there. jess, what do we know about the president's plan to get everybody in the same room? do we think there's going to be something that comes out of this? >> reporter: well, this is one of those cases where we really are going to have to wait and see, and all the parties involved are also going in with a big question mark. the idea is the expectation by many of the participants in the meeting is that they hope that they will be able to discuss more details about a scaled-down fiscal cliff plan. and maybe that could lead to some sort of agreement ideally for all parties in which all the senators say that they will not filibuster it, and it can go to a vote. and then speaker boehner could, in theory, agree to bring it to a vote on the house floor after the house comes back on sunday. and then we would
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somebody's having a laugh out there about this fiscal cliff business. >>> all right. they're going to do it again. anderson cooper and comedienne kathy griffin, teaming up to usher in the new year from times square. let's say thing got weird last night on "the situation room" when the two were promoting their new year's eve special. look at this. >> somebody tells me, and i'm not sure this is true, somebody tells me that you're obsessed with wolf blitzer. and yet every year it's me talking to you guys because i'm doing blitzer's show. i'm wondering, is that -- do you take it personally, do you think there's something to this? >> i have -- >> i think wolf is wise to stay away from kathy griffin because i once -- i don't know if you know this story, cathy -- candy. i lent -- kathy griffin one asked to come to my house in long island. and like a nice guy, i sent her a key because she wanted to go there a day in advance. and that night -- >> to clean up the place. >> no, first of all -- she arrived, she was terribly disappointed. i think she thought it would be like a house in downtown abbey
summer is what led to the fiscal cliff we're facing right now. just one more complication or bargaining chip. remind us, you're the best at putting this in perspective. remind us why the debt ceiling is just as important as the fiscal cliff. >> let me take you back a little while. to the conversation about the bun ji jump. here's the problem. confidence doesn't react to a bun ji jump. if you stole my phone and then i got it back from you, it would take that time before i develop that trust wp we saw the consumer confidence numbers come out and they have taken a big hit because consumers are worried about the fiscal cliff. the investing side is our debt raiting, you'll recall the last time we messed around with the debt ceiling, we got kicked down a notch. so if we are seen to be so irresponsible we would do this again and get past our debt limit, the world may sit there and say you're not that good. maybe americans are irresponsible with their money. we hit the debt limit on money. we have known that was coming. the treasury secretary reenforced that. this is a problem. they can fiddle
the fiscal cliff. right now, the leaders of the house and senate are sitting down with president obama in a search for an 11th hour deal to prevent severe tax hikes and spending cuts from automatically kicking in with the new year. cnn's chief white house correspondent jessica yellin is getting new details. jess can ka, what are you hearing about that meeting? >> reporter: candy, the president is going to explain or reiterate the position he took on friday, that he would like a plan that extends tax rates for people who make $250,000 and below but raises them for those who make more than that. that it extends unemployment benefits for americans. and if the president, i'm told will say if he does not get an agreement to that plan, he will ask the other leaders what they can agree to, what what they would like instead. if they cannot come up with a proposal that will pass the house and the senate, will ask for a vote on his measure. but that meeting, candy, is still going on. congre congressional leaders arrived at the white house for a last-ditch meeting just days before a new year's de
, not just right now with the fiscal cliff, but in the new year when a whole host of other issues come to visit us. so, with the new year just days away but the change of the calendar year comes lots of changes in state laws. here's what we're going to be looking at, here's a look at what will be legal and illegal in the new year. >> well, alison, some laws made headlines. gay marriage was passed in maryland and maine and the recreational use of marijuana was passed in colorado and washington state. wait, there's more. much more. let's start with the laws that take effect on january 1st. so, in illinois and california, employers may no longer force their employees to post their accounts. speaking of job seekers, let's check out oregon. employers are not allowed to advertise a job listing in that state unless they are willing to hire the unemployed. in iowa, arsenic is banned in chicken feed. in california, this one made headlines, too. that state is now banning the treatment aimed at changing the sexual orientation of anyone under the age of 18. and on the othlighter side, a n law in i
talking about right now, this is the only shot we have to avoid the fiscal cliff. the fact that they are giving it another shot over the next 48 hours,it is probably as good of a result from the meeting as you could've expected. gerri: i love ending on an optimistic note. that is definitely good news. i would like to thank all my guests are you think you all for your fine analysis and thank you for your help tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> happy new year. gerri: how would you describe today's closed-door fiscal cliff meeting between the president and congressional leaders? do you believe it was a political stunt or real negotiation? la mancha, vote on the right-hand side of the screen, i will share the results of the end of the show. still ahead tonight, it's not just the fiscal cliff mess that congress has left undone. there is a whole lot of other work that our lawmakers should have done this year but did not. i will tell you all about it. and we will be right back copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so
's not anything for anything for the lawmakers to do this weekend at least as relates to the fiscal cliff. stuart: i'll be interested to see what happens on the market comes monday morning, if there's nothing coming out this weekend. rich edison right on it, thanks very much indeed. >> thanks. stuart: and everybody, you're going to be angry at the next story. on christmas and hanukkahs, many youngsters and teenagers went on twitter to complain about their presents. i'm going to give awe couple of examples, john said i wish i had some filthy rich he will tifs. relatives, my presents sucked. forgive the language. she said all i got was gift cards, my sucks at giiing presents. crystal, the worst, i hate my white iphone. i just wanted to have a black one. oh. complaining about getting a iphone just because it's a color that's wrong? that's disgraceful. joining us now miriam walllock, mother of six, the kids, that is would never complain about a gift, would they? >> well, listen, my kids are not angels, they are kids, but i think there are a lot of fastets to the story, to be explored and my first rea
the the fiscal cliff. everyone's taxes as of right now set to go up january 1st. do we have the countdown clock up? we'll get that up later, but here is where congressional leaders and the president stand on the fiscal cliff, listen. >> but whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect, some people are going to like it, some people like it less, but that's where we are and i feel confident that we have an obligation to do the best we can. >> a good meeting down to the white house. we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself, and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make hess to his conference and we'll be working hard to see if we can get there in the next 24 hours and so i'm hopeful and optimistic. >> i'm modestly optimistic that an agreement can be achieved. nobody can get 100% of what they want. let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and in fact the world economy aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jo
no signs of a deal in the senate right now on how to avert the fiscal cliff. let's bring back the senior editor of "the new republic" and author of "the escape artists, how obama's team fumbled the recovery" and ed o'keefe congressional reporter for the "washington post." thanks to both of you for coming back here. ed, do you think the deal is dead right now? >> no, by no means. as we understand it, negotiations are continuing. right now both parties in the senate are meeting behind closed doors to discuss what was going on and what they may or may not be able to agree to as you've reported throughout the hour. mitch mcconnell has reached out to vice president biden, two experienced legislative hands who have worked together on these types of deals before. if anyone at this late hour could get a deal done it would likely be these two. keep in mind, no matter what deal is crafted on in the senate, voted on tonight and tomorrow morning it still has to get passed here in the house where i'm standing right now. we were talking to tom cole a little while ago on the show. off camera he was tel
back, too. i don't think the fiscal cliff problem hit social security or medicare right away. they kind of sealed that off from se questions ration. but you mentioned unemployment before. there are a variety of other government programs that will be drastically cut back on tuesday morning if we don't get some kind of a deal by monday night. >> you know, ryan, when you look at -- when clarence was talking,ives looking and i think i have it. bills that republicans and congress have blocked this year. a bill that would have increased the minimum wage, a buffet rule bill, the employment, nondis crimination act that would have prohibited hiring people on the basis of sexual orientation. a u.n. treaty to protect the rights of disabled people around the world and the paycheck famous act so that women don't get paid less than men for doing the same job. i mean, there's been a variety of bills that they have seen not go past. they have actually stopped in a variety of ways that would have helped the american people. >> yeah, and you can throw the violence against women act, reauthorization onto
. speaking right. exactly. liz: more on the fiscal cliff. let's bring in peter. with us is former clinton advisor doug shoen. we have basically mr. boehner saying, look, you senate, you have not come up with anything. >> i think, unfortunately, we will probably get around it. i think it is a worse outcome to avoid the cliff then to go over it. i think we should broaden the discussion and look at what is going on around the world. look at japan and europe. the japanese government is the glaring war on japanese citizens. it will create inflation. if the japanese citizens start to dump their bonds, they have been a bigger part then japan recently. that is a big problem for us. their euro has been quietly depreciating. if that goes out, that is a much bigger fiscal cliff. if the buyers of treasuries become sellers. liz: there are a lot of "if" in your discussion. the bond markets are still pretty -- nothing from the bottom vigilantes yet. you were a clinton advisor. you saw in the mid- 90s bond yields really spike higher. that is the issue. if we see the economy healing, bond yields could go
. >> a game of beat the clock. right now on capitol hill, and you guessed it, it's fiscal cliff countdown time. senate leaders on both sides now trying to reach a deal to prevent a huge tax hike on the middle class come the first of the year. senators warn that is not going to be easy. >> i'm going to do everything that i can. i'm confident senator mcconnell will do the same. but everybody, this is whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect. some people aren't going to like it, some people will like it less, but that's where we are, and i feel confident that we have an obligation to do the best we can and that was made very clear in the white house. we're going do the best we can for the caucuses that we have and the country that's waiting for us to make a decision. >>> paul bran disis the bureau chief of the west wing report in washington. and paul, you are a well-known veteran of all things washington. what is really going on behind the scenes right now as we wait to learn if they can reach a compromise or not? >> you know, the sound bite you ran at the top of this piece just i think
. "early start" begins right now. >>> crunch time for the fiscal cliff. the key players to meet at the white house with just four days left until the deadline. >> they called him stormin norman. america remembering general norman schwarzkopf. >> and have gun, will teach. hundreds of educators get a hands-on lesson in firearms. controversial proposal. good morning. welcome to "early start." 5:00 a.m. in the east. >>> it is the last friday of 2012. i've just had that pointed out to us. one final desperate attempt to dodge the fiscal cliff, just four days left before we go over the edge triggers tax hikes, spending cuts that could send the nation back into recession. the president calling for members of the congress the back. a gang of six attending. vice president biden, harry reid, house minority leader nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell and john boehner representing the republicans. brianna keilar is live from washington. is anybody optimistic that a deal could be done today around a table? >> i will tell you the optimism is sort of sinking. senate majority leader harry reid said he
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the fiscal cliff. >> the president won't be doing this but the white house will be. >> that's right. it will be interesting to see if we get response out of this. people in the meeting with the president could come to the microphones. so could c.e.o.s. >> we wanted to let you viewers know we're going to monitor the white house. we have two cameras focused on the white house waiting for the leaders to leave and specifically see if they approach a microphone and camera and let us know what's going on. we'll take that if we get that. thank you, gerri willis. >> you know how he protected other nation's border but wait until you hear how sheriff aarpaio wants to protect our schools. he's here next. blah >>> you're looking live at the white house just outside the white house, senator john kerry, for some reason he's outside the white house. inside, president obama and the house and senate leaders. we'll keep our eye on. ,. >>> a border battleon the mexican government using our court system to fight arizona's sb1070 immigration law. it wants a u.s. circuit court of appeals to block part th
. >> 30 hours to go until the country hits the fiscal cliff and still no deal. i'm melissa rayberger, and the white house has sent one of its top negotiators to capitol hill, but right now it's all centered on the senate, and as democrats dig in to protect social programs, republicans do the same on taxes. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something that republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the darkest hour right before the dawn, melissa. everybody ought to hope that's true, at least if you don't want to see your taxes go up on midnight on monday and tuesday night because everything seems
. >> and a fiscal cliff compromise won't happen with a sway and say with the negotiations. >> right. >> how much do lobbying groups wind up turning the negotiations in a certain way to really make things sort of end up where we just started? sort of going over -- >> again, capital gains is a good, wall street is heavily involved in trying to keep the rates as low as possible. so i think the lower capital gains rate is a good example. i think the lobbying pressure is significant, but also just the pull verifization, the political pull zerization we've seen in our country. no governing middle right now in the country. that -- the center, where you find the compromises and bill consensus to move forward, we just don't have that governing coalition here, and the president has tried to work with the congressional leadership, and i understand that, but the congressional leadership really are dealing more with their kind of hard-line partisans. they're not negotiating from the middle either. i look back to the 1980s when i worked in the senate and we had ronald reagan as president and my old boss bob dole
the fiscal cliff. you say we will trade at. >> i've seen the financial stocks, which are a very important indicator of the market. they have been very strong, and living today. we have seen some nice follow-through from companies like goldman that finally have been able to get above key technical levels. also there is no recall when addressing. the window dressing is the group , loss on wall street among the money managers say let's get that market really strong for the end of the year. we want to see nice numbers, and gerri: you guys do nothing and fundamentals anymore. it's amazing to me. >> you're right, and that is part of the problem with the street, but those two are bottom-up fundamental analysts, we really like the guidance that we saw that came out of it. many of these industrial multi complex companies that are very importaat indicators. gerri: like it when you talk but companies like those, because those are real companies. illinois tool works, fundamental company manufacturing, doing all the right stuff. i want to get you, though, to an interesting list that came out in fortun
that much work, we just have to do the right thing. >> six days away from the fiscal cliff and there are real consequences to millions of americans if no deal is cut. congressman elijah cummings and ryan grim of the huffington post are here with the latest. a tea party giant stages a coupe with his own office. the details on dick armey's hostile takeover. the nra is catching heat from all directions. >> i don't think the nra is listening, i don't think they understand. >> georgetown university law professor, david cole on the growing drum beat against the nra. >>> six days until the price of milk shoots up to $8 a gallon. why house republicans are take ing america to the dairy cliff. >>> and civil liberty groups take on torture in zero dark thirty. >>> if no deal is reached, the nation will go over the fiscal cliff in a little more than five days and house republicans are doing nothing more than posturing. president obama is flying back to washington tonight from his christmas vacation in hawaii to make one last attempt to get a deal before midnight new year's eve. the sena
. right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told oba if you want a trillion dollar in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican congressman and i signed your tax pledge to not raise taxes. if someone says here's a bill that says if you sign this we will cut taxes for 98% of americans. how could youay no? my point is, the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it out this way, do they not win? >> well, they've won the war of optics so far because everything's been done in camera. it's been done inside closed walls. if c-span and fox and -- were able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of thing we're learning nowbout how obama said i have no interesting in cutting spending, he's been lying for two mons about his negotiationing position in the room. if people knew that, there would be serious unhappiness in his lack of seriousne with
: the deal under discussion in the senate right now doesn't even include the biggest part of the fiscal cliff, that 1.2 trillion dollars in mandatory budget cuts, spending cuts that are also due to kick in this tuesday. the thinking up here goes like this, let's handle the tax cuts now, and readvise the spending cuts later. >> thank you. in addition to the $500 billion in automatic tax hikes, as you just heard from wyatt, the fiscal cliff also includes 1.2 trillion in mandatory spending cuts. congressional democrats and republicans agreed to these drastic cuts last year, to force both parties to the table on deficit reduction. if they can agree by monday at midnight, the following cut take effects. over the next nine years, the u.s. defense budget would be reduced by $455 billion. domestic programs would be slashed by 464 billion. 1,000 government programs face potential cuts, including three that directly impact air travel. john bentley has the story. >> reporter: long waits at airport security are nothing new. but if the u.s. government goes over the fiscal cliff, they could get even longer
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right, we're talking about the latest in the fiscal cliff or we should say, fiscal curb drama in washington. i want to talk to you, jamelle, about where, maybe, the democratses are coming from others. we were talking about this in the last segment about how the game changes on january 1st. if there's no deal and inaction, there's a lot of leverage it would seem that president obama would have. all the bush era tax rates go away. polls suggest republicans will be blamed more than democrats with if we go over the curb so to speak. is there a real incentive here for democrats to say, let's just not make a deal today? >> i think the only incentives for democrats not to make a deal, to wait for us to go over the curb, to wait for us to repeal the bush tax cuts or moving into a lower level for republicans, so there's base saving for them. for democrats there's more leverage to ask for what i think are the important elements. unemployment insurance, stimulus spending and hopefully, an extension of the payroll tax. i would prefer us to postpone the status quo for two more years becaus
, right after january 1st. gregg: we shall see. >> going over the fiscal cliff has been president obama's mission from the very beginning. the fact that he -- >> i don't believe that for a second. i don't believe it for a second. gregg: you reilly think he wants to do this. >> absolutely. because you ownly gets his way, he only gets his way if he backs us all up against the wall and says you have no choice. it is my way or the highway. that has been his negotiating. >> very sad somebody would talk like that and thing like that. >> it is i agree. happy new year. >> happy new year. gregg: not really. patti ann: well, panic at a shopping mall. wait until you see what happens, a 33-ton tank suddenly bursts. what is sent into the mall. we'll tell you. gregg: a final farewell for the firefighters shot dead while responding to a christmas eve fire. how a community is remembering them. how an officer is being hailed as a hero in helping to save others. >> at that point, i mean, i am no different than anybody standing in this room. i'm driving to work, you know. i am a police officer. i don't ha
are right. it's about optics. if they are not there, it's easy to say we went over the fiscal cliff and we were here in washington working. that's what they are trying to get across here. coming back on sunday maybe doesn't look as bad when they were at work earlier in the week. we want to you listen to something harry reid said. a top senate democrat as you know. take a listen. >> john boehner caring more about keeping his speakership than keeping them on financial footing. it's obvious what's going on around here. he is waiting until january 3rd to get reelected to speaker before he gets serious about the negotiation. >> okay. dana, you don't have to translate that. it's about the blame game. >> of course it's all about the blame game. >> digging through, i know you were talking about any scaled back piece of legislation would look like and reports they got from republicans and the president told mitch mcconnell that he would get the details. that's where from the perspective of republicans where things stand. the president publicly said before he left for his vacation in hawaii since ev
, say the coming fiscal cliff is already causing pain because they just don't know what will happen to their taxes. >> right now we're doing our budget. we're deciding how many people we're hiring next year. we're figuring out how many robots and machines we'll invest in our factories. >> reporter: and across the country all the political bickering had people outraged with washington. >> i can't believe we've gotten this close. >> time for them to turn in their term paper. >> this is america. they should be working for the american people. >> the parties are trying to outdo each other. >> sit down, don't come out of the room until you have this thing taken care of. >> reporter: the next 24 hours will tell us whether or not this will be successful. harry reid, the top democrat in the senate, and mitch mcconnell, the top republican, are going to be working together to try to come to some bipartisan agreement. then on sunday what will happen, they'll try to present that agreement to the rank and file members of the senate and then onto the house to see if it can pass. it won't be easy
unchained." >> what's your name? >> django. >>> with little more than four days until the fiscal cliff, we now know that all the relevant parties will be in washington in three days. that's right. three days from now. on sunday evening before the redskins beat the cowboys. the house will finally reconvene. why? is it to finally strike a deal? honestly, no one knows. but one thing is certain. house speaker john boehner and his fellow republicans could no longer weather the incredibly bad optics of sitting at home while the president of the united states and the senate were in washington. president obama arrived back at the white house this morning. the president will host a meeting tomorrow afternoon with senate majority leader reid, senate minority leader mcconnell, speaker boehner, and leader pelosi at the white house. senate majority leader harry reid took to the senate floor this morning to, shall we say, let boehner have it. >> if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak, with four days left after today b
and that is really the last hope we have to get something done before the fiscal cliff. >> does the minority leader and the senate, do they concur with the house of representatives. because it's eventually going to have to go through the house? >> absolutely. they would remaining in contact. just to make sure that the house would be agreeable to whatever the senate minority leader put out. democrats would have to be apprised of that as well but any agreement is probably going to need democrats in the house of representatives. the house is also working on a number of procedural maneuvers tonight to pave the way for quick votes over the next few days. they are not actively involved in the negotiations but if these two are to get a deal, vice president and senate minority leader the house could do a quick vote. >> two other things, first, if they don't do a deal, what can the average american, expect as far as tax increases? >> the average american could and not up and down the income sale. bush tax cuts created lower tax brackets for lower income americans, so up and down you would see specific tax i
income. it is about half the size of the fiscal cliff, if you will, tax hikes that could well be added to them if the year finishes the way we stand right now. >> absolutely, lou. i found it interesting if you read the affordable correct many of the onerous mandate created by obamacare were exempted for the unions so i found it interesting that the administration is looking out for the union and not looking out for the state and individual citizens to bearey the load of this. lou: your ground operation would have been a little stronger. you could have prevented people of laws.sorts you don't find that as fair and equitable, right? >> we challenged on constitutional grounds, w but dd not quite get it all. lou: more lawsuits to come and we will see how those, as well. the great state of south carolina. great fobeing with us. hsbc agrees to being a mexican drug cartel bank. terrorists.ertern tonight she meets the former employee wriried to stop hsbc illegal conduct, former hsbc vice president with us tonight for an exclusive interview. progressive claims. this is flo. i need you. i feel s
. >> we should take social security off the table for the current phy fiscal cliff. >> do not cut social security. tom: many democrats pushing to keep social security off of the table in debt talks, we learn that the program is $48 billion in the hole for 2012, and small business authority barry sloan said that the entitlement programs are what got this country in this mess in the first place. i don't think that people pay attention to that. in the greenspan e they bumped up payroll taxes for excess money going in. about this is first time there are fewer people putting in than taking out. so government has to write a check. >> it is unfortunate, the lockbox was raided. there is nothing wrong with entitlement programs, but it is the growth of those programs that are problematic. with respect to social security, we're all living longer, people need to work a little bit longer, and social security will be there for many generations if we're prudent about it 9. tom: this is the third rail, even president bush could not get social security reform done, don't touch it, is the message in wor w
negotiations as they have been during the holidays on a bill to possibly avert the fiscal cliff. those talks i'm told did not make much progress. the face-to-face conversations may fact create the possibility of a breakthrough. but right now the president has no new proposals to give his congressional leaders. he will stick with what he told the nation on friday-- raise income taxes for households earning more than $250,000, extend unemployment benefits for those americans out of work for more than six months, and try to find some other means to avert the fiscal cliff before that deadline, and tomorrow, may give us a glimmer of hope but as i said, the white house does not consider this a breakthrough, but everyone is and will be talking. >> glor: major garrett at the white house. thank you. all of this uncertainty is already affecting the economy. today, a closely watched business group reported consumer confidence has declined for a second straight month, a sign americans may continue to hold back on spending. consumers won't like what they see at the supermarket if congress doesn't pass a ne
. >> there's something fascinating to all of this. ben bernanke gave this situation the name fiscal cliff which sounds very dramatic and very scary. but what it is is an act of congress that they actually voted for. 174 republicans voted for this law that would then take effect on january 1st with all these spending cuts in it, and democrats -- 95 democrats in the house voted for it, 74 votes for it in the united states senate, and now congress is afraid of actually going through something that it voted for to occur on january 1st because it all feels too dramatic to them. and so there's something very peculiar. the crisis that congress is facing is can they undo something that they voted for, and can they undo it by new year's eve? >> it's irony and paradox upon irony. remember the reason the fiscal cliff is supposed to be so dangerous and the reason why so many people in washington are worried about the fiscal cliff is it's too much deficit reduction too fast. so all of this takes place against a debate about how to reduce the budget deficit. that's why you get into this theater of the
to tackle the so-called fiscal cliff. he landed about 30 minutes ago. you see him getting off of the air force one. the president shut his vacation short do deal with this economic crisis. according to a tweet from a white house spokesman, the president spoke with all four congressional leaders before leaving hawaii for washington, and the senate is reconvening today. now the automatic spending cuts and the tax increases that make up the fiscal cliff, they're set to take effect in just five days. much more on the fiscal cliff crisis, the effort to reach some kind of agreement later this hour. we're going go live to capitol hill for the latest as the senate returns to work. that is coming up in about 20 minutes. >>> and president obama's going to have another cabinet position to fill for the new year. we learned a short time ago apa lisa jackson is stepping down after the president's state of the union speech in january. jackson starting with the agency as a staff level scientist back in 1987. during her tenure as administrator she tackled pollution problems in poor community communities.
. the top headline on politico is fiscal cliff deal increasingly unlikely. i think a lot of people are feeling that pessimism right now. what are you hearing? >> well, i think what you've got here, alena, is a nash equilibrium to borrow from economic theory and game theory. each of the players believe they are pursuing their optimal strategies given the strategies of the other players and there's no reason to change it. i think as observers of this, the american public, you can say there's a real reason to change it. in terms of the politicians, i think they're pursuing their best strategy right now and that leads us toward that cliff. unless something changes in the next couple of days, most folks now believe that any fix will happen after january 1st. >> the house gop leadership put out a statement yesterday. i want to read part of it for you. it says in part, the house has acted on two bills which collectively would avert the entire fiscal cliff if enacted. those bills await action by the senate. if the senate will not approve, and send them to the president to be signed into la
a fiscal cliff breaking filibuster, i think that's going to have effects that they're going to be very concerned about down the road. so we have kind of a filibuster window here, if the minority leader, if the republican leader will let us proceed that way. >> well, from your mouth to your 99 colleagues' ears, to be sure. >> yeah. >> let's take a listen at your leader, your senate majority leader reid after the meeting. >> i hope everything's a good sign. i've had my confidence destroyed on other occasions, so i hope it's not on this occasion. >> do you share harry reid's cautious optimism there? >> yeah, i think so. he and minority leader mcconnell work together day in and day out. harry is a very good negotiator, who is very familiar with these issues, and we don't, in the senate, have the same issue of the huge tea party caucus in the house that the speaker, frankly, can't get a majority of his party together, because of. so you really have such a dysfunctional republican party in the house that the president had no place to turn, but to let these veteran legislators, these veteran
of the year you have fiscal cliff, debt limit, and appropriations laps all staring the american people in the face. i get it that people are sick of this combat at the same time it is because we have such an nasa's spending problem is the reason why these things are occurring the way they are. tom: you heard the president come out and talk to the white house press corps. he talked about maintain a middle-class tax cuts. he did not define what that is. maybe it to 50 might be 40500. extend unemployment benefits and the spending cuts will get to those letters. >> here is what is so ironic, the same democrats in 2001 and three railed against the bush tax cuts. now see some salvation in them because they are what is propping up the economy right now. beyond the ironic part of this, look, not only do you have that tax policy expiring and the sequestration pending on january 2nd, but we have also got a lot of taxes kicking in january 1st which will pack a mighty big wallop. this is the perfect trifecta of bad things happening to the economy all at once. no one is talking about postponing the
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